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1. TW March 9th, 2007 5:58 pm

   Nothing will happen until citizens come out in large numbers to speak and act against war funding.

2. gladstone March 9th, 2007 7:00 pm

   Everyone in the country could get arrested and it still wouldn’t make any difference. This war thing is an independent business operation, funded by us, but run by an unaccountable, corporate-owned government. When are people going to realize it’s not like it was in the ’60s, when you could just protest and thing’s would change. This is now the ‘New American Century,’ and everything’s going according to plan. Scary, but true.

3. lover of peace March 9th, 2007 10:01 pm

   Just a little clarification about the final statement regarding the January demonstration: there were HUNDREDS of Thousands there, not TENS. The AP must just have to stick to the lie they propagated on the 27th. I was there…It was an enormous crowd!
   There are Occupations and arrests taking place in Washington State, too. The press just doesnt want to cover this stuff as it is too threatening to the Powerful!

4. ezeflyer March 10th, 2007 1:18 am

   Heartfelt thanks to these courageous activists who have put their asses on the line to help stop the Judeochristian Big Money neo-con surge.

5. rob.price March 10th, 2007 4:00 am

   Sometimes I wonder if any of our protests matter. Most politician don’t see us to care. At some point, everyone must feel this by now. The street doesn’t equal the elite. “We the people” be nothing more than “we the consumer”

   And, yet, my heart tells me, go, brother, go. Don’t let those reasons slow your pace.

   I say to those who stand out from the masses, be patient, peaceful friends. Keep on, keeping on. I envy your strength on this passage. I will be with you on the coming day.

   Let us ask ourselves to sacrifice what we can for what is good and what is right. Let us call for our friends, our brothers, and our wives. Let us call for our husbands, our mothers, and our cousins, and our lovers. Let us stand up in the night. Let us stand up and call peace to quiet down our neighbor’s fight.

   Poverty of spirit, please don’t cloud me; let me be. Hope fill my lungs, please let me sing peace today.

   Take care,

   Rob

6. ezeflyer March 10th, 2007 11:53 am

   gladstone:

   Absolutely agree. But what can we do about it? Do we keep voting for the other corporate party, doing the same insane thing over and over and hoping for different results? Or do we defect to a grassroots party like the Greens that takes no Big Money bribes?

   In this forum one hears time and again that progressives have to form a third party. This third party has been here for many years. The Green Party is the largest, fastest growing and international third party that includes ALL progressive values. Vote for Kucinich, Gravel and other progressive Democrats AS A GREEN. What better way to light a fire under the corporate DLC conservative’s asses?

7. tranquilidy March 10th, 2007 7:49 pm

   I tend to agree with the frustrated. I give all praise to the protesters who are still sticking to it, and getting more aggressive, but sadly I really don’t think continued protesting will stop this war. Really we’ve tried that route up and down. Not saying it shouldn’t continue full force, but in my opinion, it will take a revolution of our government to end the war - or at least an elected anti-war president.

   I’m with you activists and protesters. Keep using your minds to outwit those asses. We are smarter than them, its just that they play dirty and will do anything in the name of greed.

   Oh, and F.U.kc G.W.B.!

8. snafubar March 11th, 2007 12:21 am

   “In a video posted on the Internet site YouTube, the Democratic lawmaker is seen pounding his fist repeatedly into the air, complaining loudly that Democrats don’t have enough votes to cut off war funding and the protesters don’t understand the debate in Congress.

   ‘That makes no sense. It doesn’t work that way,’ Obey says at one point.”

   Well, folks, here lies our fundamental problem, because when we hear “…we/they don’t have enough votes” it means that these clowns who were elected to Congress still value their careers more than they value what is right, or what the people want.

   George Carlin uttered a staggeringly cold reality about this country:

   “think about how dumb the average guy is, then realize that half of them are dumber than that”.

   That will keep you up at night if you ponder it for what it really means to us all; the right idea has less than a 25% approval rating. 50% are too dumb to know what’s going on, and the remaining 50% is divided between “Them” and “Us”.

9. Rick March 11th, 2007 7:38 am

   We all know what is going on concerning our representatives in congress..
   63% of them are millionaires, many with financial ties to the arms industry.
   They are caught between a pile of money and hard place..
   The hard place being the going number of Americans citizens who are coming out against this illegitimate war and calling for impeachment.
   The problem for us the people is they are more concerned with not cutting off the hand that feeds them, then the one that put them in office.
   Another great decider (Nancy Pelosi) as said that impeachment is off the table before speaking to her constituency..
   I attended a gathering last night where Cindy Sheehan was speaking. And all can say is their is a lot of sentiment out there for impeachment!
   Several Vermont towns have voted impeachment resolutions and the movement is growing.
   Our representatives are scared to death that we might actually try and practice real democracy. Not the elite form that we have now.
   Just maybe this a turning point in our republic when we are teetering on the brink of real democracy or continuing the status -quo.
   It is up to us people to say we are mad as hell and we not going to take this anymore.
   It time for us people to take control of our republic away from the elites.
   When they realize that we are serious that is when the real war in the streets will start.
   Then you find out that, you are not as free as you thought you were. You going to find out
   Just how much power they have and how willing they are to use it against you.
   The real battle starts when they say no and we keep pushing! We need to push back and push back hard!
   V for Vendetta.

10. Gail March 11th, 2007 9:23 am

    “ezeflyer March 10th, 2007 11:53 am
    gladstone:

    Absolutely agree. But what can we do about it? Do we keep voting for the other corporate party, doing the same insane thing over and over and hoping for different results? Or do we defect to a grassroots party like the Greens that takes no Big Money bribes?”

    DENNIS KUCINICH FOR PRESIDENT, 2008.

    He doesn’t take money from the corporate masters and he’s not a millionaire.

    Check out his website: http://kucinich.us/./

11. ezeflyer March 11th, 2007 1:54 pm

    Gail:

    But why let the sold out corporate conservative Democrats ride along with a good progressive like Kucinich when we can vote for him and other progressive Dems while belonging to the Green Party?

    Belonging to the Greens doesn’t mean that you can’t vote for progressive Dems. It simply means that you are GUARANTEED to have a progressive on the rest of your mixed ballot, instead of having to drag unknown retrogressive DLC candidates along, hanging on to progressive’s coattails.

    Sure, you can vote a mixed ballot as a Democrat. But most of us can’t know all of whom we’re voting for. At least when you vote as a Green, you know you are voting for progressives.

    We need a third party. It will also send a strong message to the Dems that they can’t take progressives and liberals for granted any longer. The Greens can be the decisive factor, just as Perot was.

12. gmkaake March 11th, 2007 3:24 pm

    Thanks ezeflyer - I am definitely going to check out the Greens. I’ve heard it’s growing internationally. That it’s really a global movement. It reminds me of that book - The Cultural Creatives. You may have read it - they talk about three major social sub-groups within the U.S.:

    1) The Moderns (think capitalism)
    2) The Traditionals (think Religious Right)
    and
    3) The Cultural Creatives

    Cultural creatives “care deeply about ecology and saving the planet, about relationships, peace and social justice, about self-actualization, spirituality and self-expression. Sound familiar? That’s everyone who is reading this website (well probably not everyone - but most everyone).That’s us. And if the Green Party supports these issues then why not make the switch?

    I agree that Dennis Kucinich is the best candidate out there, representing progressive issues. He has said that he believes it’s best to make changes from within the Democratic party. Maybe we could all go to his website and try to talk him into moving over to the Greens? He’s not a corporate democrat - he really doesn’t fit in with the rest of that bunch anyway.

13. bildad March 12th, 2007 2:17 pm

    Hi ezyflyer,
    Just one clarification: ONLY voters registered as Democrats can vote in that party’s primary election, so Greens cannot vote for him. If, however, Kucinich wins the Democratic nomination, registered Greens could vote for him if they choose to vote against their own presidential candidate and feel secure risking the loss of the party’s ballot access, which is a big deal because we are not assured of it like the Democrats and Republicans. That could mean that the Green Party in a given state would have to collect thousands of signatures and deal with the consequences–which include the probability that the duopolists (usually the Democrats, as in the past) will challenge the signatures and do everything possible to obstruct the effort to get the party back on the ballot.

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